Nasty, Brutish & Short

Voinovich Archives

New Poll: Top Five Republicans Can All Beat Hillary

November 27, 2007 09:07 AM

It's a Zogby poll, and a lot of people have trouble with his methodology.  But still:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton trails five top Republican presidential contenders in general election match-ups, a drop in support from this summer, according to a poll released on Monday.

Clinton's top Democratic rivals, Barack Obama and John Edwards, still lead Republicans in hypothetical match-ups ahead of the November 4, 2008, presidential election, the survey by Zogby Interactive showed.

Clinton, a New York senator who has been at the top of the Democratic pack in national polls in the 2008 race, trails Republican candidates Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, John McCain and Mike Huckabee by three to five percentage points in the direct matches.

Democrats, please nominate her!

New details emerge on Voinovich's screaming match with John McCain

July 24, 2007 08:47 AM

As discussed here a few weeks ago George Voinovich got into a nasty battle about Iraq with John McCain at a Republicans-only meeting recently.  You may recall that one Senator described it as "the most serious fight that I have seen in my time in the Senate."

Well, this morning Laura Ingraham's show is running "Best of" bits while Laura is out of town.  Apparently she had Senator Bunning on a few weeks ago, after the Voinovich/McCain fight, but before news of who was involved leaked out.  Senator Bunning talked about the incident, without naming who was involved in the fight with McCain.  But of course, now we know who it was.

Bunning said it got so ugly that he walked out of the meeting.  Apparently Voinovich challenged McCain's integrity, something Bunning said that "you do not do."  McCain responded by lighting into Voinovich, and telling him he had no idea what he was talking about.  It went downhill from there.

Voinovich's erratic behavoir on Iraq policy has pretty much enfuriated everyone, hasn't it? 

George Voinovich, still classy after all these years

July 16, 2007 04:11 PM

From CNN via Think Progress:

Last week, in a conversation with senior White House political aide Karl Rove, Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH) warned that conservative support is quickly eroding for the war, and to stem the tide, Bush must institute a plan that begins the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Voinovich told Rove, “The president is a young man and should think about his legacy.”  CNN reports:

Voinovich added that other Republicans are close to speaking out against the President’s current strategy. “I won’t mention anyone’s name. But I have every reason to believe that the fur is going to start to fly, perhaps sooner than what they may have wanted.”

In private, Voinovich is more blunt, using a profanity to describe the White House’s handling of Iraq by charging the administration “f–ed up” the war.

What a great fit Senator Voinovich is in the senatorial "gentlemen's club."

Also: He's warning the White House that conservative support is eroding?  What the heck does Senator Voinovich know about "conservative support?"

George Voinovich gets in a screaming match with John McCain

July 11, 2007 07:21 PM

According to Politico.  One fellow Senator described it as "the most serious fight that I have seen in my time in the Senate."  The source of the heat was Iraq.  Voinovich (as everyone knows by now) wants to cut and run.  McCain wants to stay.  And win.

McCain might actually start to do better in the polls if he'd yell at Senator Voinovich more often.

Immigration Aftermath

June 28, 2007 09:05 PM

So I guess I need to write about it, since I've said so much thus far.  I was in a CLE earlier today, so I missed all the excitement as it was happening.  And now it already seems like old news.

But anyway... Yes, I'm thrilled with the results, but I am still very annoyed with the President for putting all of us through this crap.  It was great to see conservatives rise up and drive a stake through the heart of this thing, but why should we have had to?  The effort it required was just ridiculous, and it was draining.  I do not understand why the President thought this was so important to propose, much less pursue so aggressively.  All that energy could have been directed to something productive.  So W's still on my shit list.

Also on my list?  George Voinovich of course.  Yes, in the end, he voted the right way.  But what's with all the coyness?  Why wasn't he willing to say what his position was?  And then he indignantly declared on Sean Hannity's show that he would not be intimidated by all the, you know, citizens who were calling his office.  Well, at the end of the day, he was intimidated.  The whole thing just unbelievable, and I hope it will not soon be forgotten.

And why the hell were bloggers the only people who were willing to ask Senator Voinovich what his position was?  He clearly doesn't pay the blogosphere much heed, and while that's foolish, it's his prerogative.  But he wouldn't have ignored a call from a "real" reporter.  So why didn't they call?  Even if they got an evasive answer, that would have been worth reporting too.  So Ohio's mainstream media are also on my shit list.

Last on the list?  Senator Brownback.  I heard him speak when he was in town a few months ago, and I thought he did a terrific job.  Well if you haven't heard, he voted yes right at the very beginning, during the alphabetical vote, because he thought cloture was going to pass. Then, when it was clear it would not pass, he switched his vote to a "no."  He clearly thought he was acting in a way that would help his Presidential chances, but his political instincts were exactly the opposite of politically astute.  Strange.  Very strange.  And disappointing.  It's not like he won't be punished for it, though.  His presidential ambitions are over.

But the good news of the day is that now we can all move on.  But not forget.

Liveblogging Voinovich on Hannity

June 27, 2007 02:30 PM

[Scroll down, there are numerous updates]

Sean's back after the bottom of the hour break.  "Joining us now from the Great State of Ohio, Senator George Voinovich." 

Phone went dead, Voinovich sounds he doesn't know where he is.  Sean asks if he wants to bring back the Fairness Doctrine.  Voinovich says he's for it, but doesn't even know what it is.  How embarrassing.  Does he follow the news at all? 

Hannity asks if he'll vote for cloture tomorrow, Voino hems, haws, and gasps, then says he owes the American people a vote for or against it.  He's trying not to say what he'll do.

Voiny then says they have important amendments to consider.  They talk about Senator Hutchinson's amendment, which he says is very important.  He voted for it, but then, HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW IF IT PASSED TODAY.  He voted for it, but he can't even remember if he voted with the majority.  He sounds massively confused.

He'll take all the amendments into consideration as they move on.  Yeah right.

Voinovich then says the reason we are in this mess is because we approved money for border security and didn't spend it (Hun?  Yeah right they didn't spend it!).  Again, he says he is going to weigh all of this, and not tell us today if he is for it or against it.

The Senator then says he has been threatened by people calling his office, telling him this is the end of his political career.  "YOU DO NOT INTIMIDATE GEORGE VOINOVICH" he yells.  It is the fault of talk radio, he says.  But then he says if you don't like how he votes, you should take it into consideration the next time he's up for re-election.  Sure will, Senator!

Then it gets a little crazy.  Voinovich tries to scream down Sean, and won't let the host talk.  Says current law stinks.  Hannity says: "No one is enforcing the current law!"

Hannity: "You can't even tell me you've read this bill."  Voinovich says he has read "most of the summaries on it."

Voinovich: "The border today is more secure today than it was three years ago."

Hannity: "These borders aren't anywhere near secure.  I've been there, I've seen them.  This bill has had no hearings, no analysis.  400,000 guest workers every year, eligible for permanent status.  Penalty is meager for those who won't respect our laws. Security measures are reduced from last year."  Hannity is talking facts and specifics.

Oh no!  Sean made the Senator very, very angry.  The Senator: "It's not worthy to talk to you.  I'm disappointed in you, I had more respect for you." 

Hannity: "Senator you had a chance.  I'll leave you for the whole hour.  Have you done a cost analysis on this?"

But clearly, the Senator doesn't know how much it will cost.  They talk past each other.

Voinovich says if they stay here, get a job, then they'll be able to get the social security.  What?  Where did that come from? 

The Senator: "If you count the number of minutes you've had, you got to talk more than I did."

Voinovich sounds like a three year old.  They argue more.

[I have to stop listening for a minute, because I am too angry.] 

Hannity: "Congress is rushing this through."  He still wants to know if they have done a cost analysis and what it will do to Medicare, social security, etc.  "What will it cost the American taxpayer?"

Voinovich does not know, says he is getting off the phone.

Hannity: "You're running away because you can't answer a question!"

Voinovich: "I'll be back when you can be rational."  He hangs up the phone.

All in all, an appalling spectacle.  The Senator acted like a spoiled, petulant child. 

UPDATE:  Hannity is going to re-run the entire interview during the last half hour of his show today.  That's 5:30 on 55KRC, if you're interested and local. 

In other coverage:

Keeler Political Report: It was a "trainwreck of an interview."  "Voinovich's attitude was truly unbelievable."

Laura's Musings: The Senator made "quite a disturbing spectacle of himself."

Paindealer: "We may have just heard the beginning of the end of Voinovich's political career on live radio."

Hot Air has the audio, and the comment thread over there is hilarious.  Michelle Malkin herself says " Good gawd. Keep talking, George. You’re the best help we have in killing the bill out there."

BizzyBlog: "I told myself, this is going downhill in a big hurry.  Did it ever."

Thespis Journal: "Voinovich appears to be totally lost!"

World Net Daily: "Voinovich self destructs on Hannity."

Weapons of Mass Destruction: "What a humiliating performance."  They have more, here.  My favorite? "Nasty Brutish and Short has a liveblogged "transcript" that just has to be entered in to the record as Prosecution's Exhibit Number One on why The Crying Man does NOT deserve to be re-elected."  Awww.  Shucks.

Interested Participant: "In the most egregious way, he has disrespected his constituency."

Wow.  In The Corner on National Review Online, Katherine Lopez posts a scathing review: "At least he didn't cry."  This is, of course, a reference to the time Senator Voinovich CRIED on the Senate floor over John Bolton's appointment as U.N. Ambassador.

Blogmeister USA: "Retirement might be a good option."

Presto Pundit: "Is your Senator as well informed as a radio talk show host?  If the topic is the Kennedy-Bush amnesty bill, the answer is very likely no."

Porkopolis is not happy either.

Right Angle Blog: "WOW!  Voinovich may have single-handedly killed the amnesty bill by embarrassing himself and Ohio today."  "By pure serendipity I happened to be listening when George Voinovich was on today. I was riveted! Like witnessing a horrible car wreck bursting into flames - you don't want to acknowledge the horror, but you can't turn away."

NixGuy: "The one where Voinovich pisses off the entire Ohio GOP blogosphere."

Snarky Bastards: "Maybe the most embarrassing media appearance I’ve ever heard from an office holder."

Sue Bob's Diary:  "Despite the fact that the man can’t answer the simplest questions about the bill, he condescends to his constituency and snivels about intimidation. Though he claims HE can’t be intimidated—he cowardly runs away from Hannity’s persistent—though reasonable—questions."

Thanks to Bizzyblog and Weapons of Mass Destruction for their help with some of the links.

RecepciĆ³n a Brutish repugnante y al cortocircuito!!!

June 26, 2007 01:02 PM

Or as our grandparents used to say "Welcome to Nasty, Brutish and Short."  And yes, the Immigration bill is back on track.  Thanks for nothing, Senator Voinovich, et al.

UPDATE: Senator Voinovich will be on Sean Hannity's radio show tomorrow afternoon.  To my knowlege, this will be the first time he has spoken to any member of the media about the immigration bill.  It will be interesting to see how he defends his position.

Supposedly Senator Voinovich is on the fence about the Immigration Bill

June 25, 2007 01:54 PM

Or at least, so says the well-respected Bizzyblog.  He was told by both Voinovich's D.C. office and the Cleveland office that the Senator has not made up his mind and is taking comments from constituents.

I find it hard to believe he'd do the right thing this time, since he wasn't willing to last time.  But who knows, maybe the calls and the polls are having an effect.  The number is (202) 224-3353, for what's that's worth.  More numbers available here.

UPDATE:  I actually was able to get through, after trying a few times earlier today.  I asked if the Senator had made up his mind about cloture, and the young woman said she "did not have a statement from the Senator."  I said "I know, I don't have a statement from him either, and I emailed him about this over a month ago."  Bottom line?  He's still trying to hide from us.  I said "please tell him we're smart enough to know that if he votes yes on cloture but then votes against the bill on the floor, he's still supporting the bill."  She said she would pass on the message.

Call him if you wish, I honestly don't know if he's even worth the effort.  Michelle Malkin has a list of who might be, here.